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Perfect is the Enemy of Good Enough and Problem Admiration

I have had a couple of discussions where I hit a wall with guys. Good (internet) guys I know reasonably well. The topics were caches and bugging out. I think there are two major issues going on here.

The first issue is these guys are looking for a perfect answer. Perfect answers don’t usually exist in situations with finite resources. Unlimited resources can solve pretty much any issue but that isn’t reality for most of us.

Finding the perfect answer isn’t realistic. There are inherently compromises which must be made. We have to find the best answer that we can. This means looking at where we are willing to cut corners or accept risk.

I am reminded of a time I was selling a used car. The paint was rough and so was the interior. The drive train was pretty good. Price was like $1,200. Some guy was looking at it and said “This, that and the other are wrong with it.” to which I replied “Yeah and that’s why it is this price.”

It would be great to have the perfect set up. I would love to have a few Sarah Conner Terminator Caches, a dozen Jason Borne safety deposit boxes with cash and new ID’s, 3 different passports under my real name and houses in each place. Hell, a jet with a pilot to take me between them would be nice too. Fleeing to my awesome compound in some paradise with everyone I really care about and some random hot chicks in my sweet jet Dan Bilzerian style sounds great. Why not? In fantasy land anything is possible.

The thing is that most of us sadly do not live in fantasy land. Being able to apply huge sums of money to problems is not a luxury most people, myself included, have. So what we need to do is realize that in a world of finite resources (money, time, etc) we aren’t ever going to get a perfect solution. As our friend Commander Zero recently said “Preparedness is really about resource management in regards to risk reduction – we try to get the most for our money when we take steps to protect ourselves from future problems.”

Second is the issue of problem admiration. Guys will see a problem and just look at the issues over and over. They keep staring at the problem. At some point you aren’t going to get any new relevant information within the span of time you have to make a decision. Then you have to weigh the issue, pick a number and put your damn money onto the table.

Look at the problems you face. Understand that you have limited resources available in order to address them and that this inherently means you will have to make choices. Take your time. Unless your house is on fire or there is a mugger waving a knife in your face there is time to sleep on it. Do your research and think. You have time but not forever. At some point you will have to decide how to best use the resources you have and execute the plan.

This sort of thing isn’t as catchy as talking about what the coolest survival knife is or the 12 items you need for a bug out bag. I know that. I know this type of thing doesn’t get the comments and discussion of the “talk about cool gear and validate each others decisions” posts. Honestly I don’t care. Selling stuff or making money isn’t my goal here. I am trying to work through my own problems and help you all do the same. I hope you choose to use this stuff to help yourselves.

Get out of the problem admiration phase.

 

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Replies to a recent conversation where I said “When war/ pestilence, etc come to your area GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! You don’t need to be buying pallets of surplus razor wire, you need to make sure that your passports are current. “:
 Pineslayer said…

I have to agree on the passport thing, but where are you going to go? Central or South America? Canada or Europe? Do they want you or can you get there when things go shitty?

Can you assimilate on a moments notice?

August 11, 2018 at 9:15 PM

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Blogger Aesop said…
Pineslayer:

All good questions, but imagine asking them of yourself as a Jew in 1937 in Berlin. Then imagine asking yourself the same questions, in 1941.

Or as an Afrikaaner in Capetown. Yesterday.

It would certainly suck to be a socially awkward and barely literate Eastern European living in London in 1912.
But not when the alternative was third class passage to NY on the Titanic.

“Any port in a storm”, and all that…

August 12, 2018 at 12:52 AM

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Anonymous Pineslayer said…
It does come down to the fight or flight, bug in/bug out debate. When you are threatened by over whelming forces the decision must be made. We are at a cross roads of sorts now. Let the Marxists take the country or over power them. We will all have to make that decision soon in my opinion

Ryan here: My thoughts are as follows.

Leaving your home temporarily because of imminent danger is an easy decision. Get out of the way of the fire/ hurricane/ riot. The idea of leaving for a longer period is harder. You might never get home. The thing is this is only really worth considering when staying home is going to get you killed or some other really bad outcome.

Think of it like you are in the kill zone of an ambush or right in front of a raging wildfire. Staying where you are is going to get you killed. You might not be sure where a safe place is but you know what place isn’t! Get out of the really dangerous place right now! Worry about where else to go once you get away.

One thing I would say about America is that it is unique in a couple of ways. First it is a huge country. A massive event can make one area uninhabitable. Hurricane Katrina comes to mind. It may be that you can “bug out” to a few hundred miles away in Arkansas or Texas. The same could be said of a riot in Los Angeles or whatever. In a small country a regional event might mean you have to leave the country entirely but in the big awesome USA it doesn’t necessarily mean that.

The other thing I would say is that if your concerns are political in the US the answer may be moving within the US. Things that might potentially happen in California, Illinois or New York aren’t anywhere near as likely in say Texas, Idaho or Alabama.

 

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Holy Totes- Peter to the Rescue!

Our friend Peter gave an excellent answer to my question about totes. In fact he wrote a whole post about this. They looked promising and I went down to home depot to check it out. They seemed solid and well designed. For $7 and change a pop I figured why not give it a try.

So I got 6 of them in the size (I think 17 gallon, roughly 2.5 feet by 18 in x 12 in). Size wise I guessed just right. They fit well in my vehicle and with the shelving I already have. That was a lucky happy accident. The bug out stuff will fill 3-4 of them. I plan to get a few more down the road if they work out.

Aesop and Pineslayer also made good points. The Rubbermaid roughneck type totes work. They are durable and perform as designed. They are also regrettably to tall for what I want. I also agree the sterelite el cheapo ones are crap. The ones I have will get replaced, if through attrition.

Totes are a funny thing. They are one of those things that in my head are expensive (and some of the fancy ones like Pelican/ Hardigg, are hundreds of dollars a piece) but really aren’t. I will probably buy another dozen over the next few months as part of my efforts to get the stuff associated with preparedness under control.

One thing I plan to do is get a bed which has space for totes underneath. I need a new mattress anyway and a bed frame which is designed for 18″ of space underneath will let me keep stuff under there. This isn’t strictly necessary now but it would be a benefit. Also down the road I may have some space constraints and it could be important.

Anyway thanks guys. Since this place is no longer monetized one of the biggest ways it brings value to my life is that when I have a question, odds are decent one of you has the answer. Thanks again.

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RE: Maybe I Haven’t Been Clear by Aesop

Our friend Aesop wrote an interesting post. I read it and came to a very different conclusion than I believe he was getting at. I was reminded about something our friend Commander Zero said long ago. What is the very first rule of surviving a disaster?

Don’t Be There!

Some disasters, particularly hurricanes, are fairly predictable inside 2-3 days. Lots of riots have a lead up time. If a disaster is coming go somewhere else.

There are pros and cons to living in different areas. However once you factor in that the two supposed survivalist havens are overdue for massive events, volcanic and seismic respectively, the intellectually honest are a but easier going on folks living in other areas. Also the inland PNW has real fire issues. What I am getting at is that wherever you live something could happen that makes it untenable.

Inevitably someone will say “Don’t be a refugee” or “I’ve seen ‘The Road'”.

First of all dial the drama down. By far the realistic threats that face us are localized or regional. Stop worrying about some doomer porn scenario. Driving the family hauler to a Best Western 2 towns over is the realistic situation for most of these ‘refugees’. Second even in a full on unlikely situation obviously one does not choose to become a refugee because it sounds like fun. One chooses to become a refugee because it seems like what’s at home is even less fun.

Natural disasters are self explanatory. If a huge armed mob is killing everyone who looks like you and they are one town over you should pack quickly then drive in the opposite direction. Unless you have terminal cancer and want the mob to kill you in a blaze of glory the answer is to leave. Personally I would rather lose my stuff then shoot some guys who don’t matter anyway, have them shoot me, and then terrible things happen to my family.

The point is that if things get bad you take your .45 and wad of cash then go somewhere else. Somewhere less disastery. People have some fantasy of bug out camping or escape and evasion or whatever. In reality a cheap motel room 250 miles the other direction of the disaster is usually the answer.

It is good to have supplies and plans and all that. Many situations are solved by just staying home. However if nuclear aids meteors are scheduled to land on your house in a day you should spend most of that day getting away from your house. Having plans to bring some survival gear, guns in case things get sporting, etc is important. However the most important part of that survival kit will be the visa that buys the motel room and pizza. Being honest your bug out bag could be a suitcase or a Rubbermaid tote. Discussion of whether the rifle that will sit in the corner by your bed should be an AKM or AR is fun, we all like guns, but probably not the most important thing to focus on.

The point here is that we should, with reason, try to avoid being in areas where we will face disasters. When faced by disasters vote with your legs and get the heck out. To paraphrase Tamra “Don’t be there, so you don’t have to do that.”

Most of the time the answer is to stay home, except when it is not. When it is time to leave better to go a week early than try to go a day late.

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